‘Artist Interviews’ Category Archive
This year for your birthday you are asking for goats. Please explain.
My friends and I at Give a Goat have started a new way of enabling people to get involved with our work. It’s called “Go”, and it lets anyone create a project around an event, goal, or idea and raise support to buy goats for needy families. It’s launch fell right around my birthday, so I decided to lend my special day to its inauguration. Basically what I’m asking people to do is to give $24 for my 24 birthday instead of giving me a present. This money will go to buy goats for needy families. I’m hoping to raise $2,400 which will give about 20 goats and start an entire village on the path to self-sufficiency.
How does a guy living in Oklahoma become connected to work happening in the Philippines?
Man our world has shrunk. I actually went to college with a native Filipino whose family had been working to help the poor from their native country get out of poverty. We spent a ton of time together dreaming, praying, brainstorming. He kept talking about how his Dad was giving goats to people in the Philippines and it was lifting them out of poverty. It wasn’t long before I was on board with him and we formed the non-profit Give a Goat around an organic idea born in the Philippines.
Do you have a favorite success story?
There are so many to choose from and I heard about four more just today. But my favorite would have to be about my friend Ronald. Ronald worked at a roadside stand selling food in the metropolitan area of Cebu. His family lived about three hours away from his work so he only came home once a month to visit his wife and child, as well as drop off the $1 a day he was making. One night after midnight he was working his stand, and there was a shooting. The man who was shot came and crouched behind Ronald’s booth for safety. This was a giant wake up call to Ronald. He came home and decided he was going to find a better way to provide for his family. Around that time, Give a Goat was looking for new raisers in his area and he decided he wanted to try his hand at goat raising. That was three years ago. Today Ronald has 80 goats, a thriving vegetable garden, a water filtration system, and happy children who are attending school. He has been so successful that he is now passing his knowledge and goats to his neighbors, telling them how to get out of poverty and start a new life. Ronald also moonlights as Give a Goat’s key veterinarian.
In addition to your work with Give a Goat you are also a poet. What role do you feel artists play in bringing about change?
Artists don’t just play a role in bringing about change, they are the most vital conduit for change. Artists teach us to dream in color, reimagine our world, and ask questions with new words. As French author Albert Camus put it, “In a world such as this, a world of victims and executioners, it is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners.” Artists, poets, musicians, and the like stand on the opposite side of corruption, oppression, and greed. It is hard to imagine myself among these ranks, but I’m trying my best. As a artist, in particular as a poet, I try to reclaim truth by showing it in a foreign light. We get so used to our paradigms and routines that even words like war, famine, and murder loose their bite. I try to grab overlooked ideas, peoples, and causes and pull them into new light where people can see their truth. And any time I can be a voice for the voiceless and give noise to previously deaf ears, I consider it an honor.
What advice would you give to anyone reading this who might be a ‘recovering slacktivist’? What steps can they take to actively pursue creating real change and not just being a consumer?
They can do just that. Stop being a consumer and go create real change. Look at your life. What are you good at, passionate about, connected to? What makes you cry, yell, or giggle? Those are the things you were created to meld yourself to. Find that cause or that mission. And once you know what you want to do, even if it is just a small inkling of a feeling, start engaging in conversations. That is how change takes place. Over cups of coffee and plates of food. Talk to your friends and family about what you are wanting to do, find people who are already working in those fields and render your services, find people effected by the problem and hear their stories and find out how they want and need to be helped. What we often misunderstand is that we don’t need an organization, non-profit, or mission trip to change our world. There are people, living, struggling, dying people across our streets and around our world. I spoke with a struggling family that I met here in the Philippines on Facebook today. They can’t feed their children, but a family in their village has internet and we are plotting a change for her community. Talk to people. Dream. And then go do it!
In addition to getting you goats for your birthday, how else can we get involved with Give a Goat?
I would encourage everyone, if giving goats to needy families sounds even a bit interesting, to go to www.go.giveagoatnow.com and start a project that can change a person’s life.
Meet Milo Greene.
Currently touring the country with The Civil Wars, this LA band brings to mind such a mix of great musical influences before them, yet they still have something fresh to say. The moment I heard 1957, I wanted to find everything this band had recorded.
They’re a hard working quintet, no doubt. Yesterday I spoke with Marlana. She took my call while driving the van, leading the band to their next show in Charlottesville, VA. They never stop – and for that we can be grateful. Not only will it lead to more great music, but also to lots of good.
The band doesn’t just want to sell records and build a fanbase. They want to make a difference.
From their blog: “We feel so lucky to be living the lives that we do, that we wanted to find a way to give back to the community and to those less fortunate. Along with some awesome new merch for this tour, we will also be selling something very special and unique. For every show of this tour, Marlana will be wearing a necklace made of recycled drum cymbals (graciously donated by Chime Designs). She will wear that necklace during the show and will be selling it afterwards for $50.”
The band has partnered with a beautiful work in LA: A Place Called Home. 100% of the proceeds will go to this organization providing a safe haven for underprivileged kids to get involved in programs related to the arts and education.
We’re excited about Milo Greene and what they’re about. If you happen to catch the band on their current tour please help them! All it takes is to walk up to Marlana after the show and say you would like to purchase her necklace. She will be wearing it until someone buys it! Pretty brilliant.
Take a listen. I’ve got them on steady rotation and am looking forward to a full-length hopefully soon.
Yesterday we opened our hearts to you and revealed our love for SUPERCUTE! If you’ve purchased our latest album One For The Team then you’ve experienced the magic of “The Hula Hoop Song” (and have likely had it stuck in your head ever since.) We adore SUPERCUTE! for their music and for sharing it with us to help the kids of Special Needs Athletics.
The girls are working on their first album and need your help. We told you about their Kickstarter project yesterday, but thought you might want to hear a little bit more from the girls directly. So, here’s a nice little interview we did with one of the coolest girls on the planet, Rachel Trachtenburg:
What can we expect from a full length Supercute! album?
We spend lots of time writing our songs but when recording them we are just too excited for everyone to hear them that we don’t spend much time really making them extra special. We are going to have all of our old time hits plus some new psychedelic never heard before ones with more whistles giggles and harmonies : ) and we also plan to write a song for the album with Kate Nash.
What’s the current band lineup and how’s that going?
SUPERCUTE! is currently consisting of myself Rachel Trachtenburg age 17 on uke, our new drum pad (it’s name is babies bum because its soooo soft) and vocals. Julia Cumming age 15 on uke, guitar and vocals. Julia and I are the original members and commit all our time to the band.
We have two different wonderful girls on keyboard. Olivia Ferrer age 12 & Delilah Brierley age 14. SUPERCUTE! is always a trio but since we are so busy it’s hard to find girls who can stay out late and play shows all the time. So we just split up our events and whoever can make it comes. Its been working out great for everyone!
Kate Nash is producing. That is so awesome. She’s been super supportive of you for a long while now. What are some things you’d say you’ve learned from her?
Kate is one of our favorite people! We have gone on two tours with her, one in the U.S and one was a 12 country tour of Europe. We are really good friends and have lots of fun together. I think that after touring with her so much and watching her on stage every night and seeing how she connects with her fans and really goes for it has inspired us. She is so caring and hard working. She is 24 years old but we are all just so much on the same page as far as wanting to make a difference with our music. We are both evolving so fast as performers and we learn lots for each other. Pretty much just really staying true to who you are and having fun along the way.
What advice would you give to any kids out there wanting to start a band?
It takes lots of work and dedication but if this is something you really want to do it always pays off at the end of the day. Push yourself and see where it takes you. For Julia and I it’s everything to us. Music is one of the best parts of life and making it is even better.
Taking a break from the studio to play a charity event at Freed-Hardeman University, frontman JT Daly of Paper Route sat down with us to discuss a few topics like living in Nashville, supporting an awesome new non-profit and working on their new album.
Started by a few of Paper Route’s close friends, Red Earth Trading Company works with Global Support Mission and local artisans in Africa to sell unique gifts that gives the money back to the hands that made each and every item.
If you’d like to learn more about Red Earth Trade check out their website
We caught some incredible photos from their show at Freed-Hardeman University last month. Check those out here
Image: Todd Roeth
Joe finishes our interview talking about The Vickie Honeycutt Foundation, Terra Nova High School and a simple way to make a difference in everyone’s life.
by Bryson Leach
If you missed part one of this interview check it out here
BL: Your manager mentioned to me that you guys are big supporters of the Honeycutt Foundation. Can you tell us about that?
JK: Dane Honeycutt is our tour manager who’s been with the Brothers since the beginning of their touring. He is their tour manager, guitar tech, he’s our boss and good friend. He was someone that the band could not function without. Seth and Scott had his mother, Vickey Honeycutt as their teacher in elementary school. Last year Vickie was diagnosed with cancer and what was initially only breast cancer spread to the other parts of her body as a form of terminal cancer. She passed away this year and it was a hard time for Dane.
Dane set up a foundation under Vickie’s name to help teachers who are going through the same things that she went through. For Seth and Scott, Vickie was a big support in their lives growing up, so supporting her and now supporting others in the same position was a big goal for them. Since they are so underpaid, it’s just a little bit of an extra help for them during their difficult time. Vickie and Dane were and are a major influence in our lives. It will continue to be something that is apart of our group.
BL: Are there any other causes that you’ve come across recently that have really caught your eye?
JK: Oh yea man! We played a benefit concert in Portland during our tour this year for this high school called the Terra Nova School in Portland. We were driving through and had and extra day to kill. So, we called up one of our favorite venues in the area, the Crystal Ballroom, and asked if we could do a secret show there and if there were any local causes that needed help from the ticket sales. We were told about this school where kids learn to work a farm from seed to preparation. It’s a school that functions on very little but they are teaching the kids the value of the foods that we eat and where it comes from. So we were able to sell out all the tickets with the proceeds benefitting this school. The best part about it was the kids came and brought the food they learned to grow and make. It was the best food that we’ve ever eaten on tour. It was awesome to see these kids that just understood food. It’s something we wish was available across the country.
BL: Doing good and making a difference in the lives of others is such an important characteristic that we feel everyone needs. What is one way that everyone can incorporate that into their own character?
JK: You know, the biggest thing, the easiest thing and just the most selfless thing you can do is to just talk to someone. You don’t have to give financially. You don’t have to give any sort of gift. There are tons of foundations that need financial backing but there are countless numbers of people who just need someone to talk to. That’s why when we are on the road and someone wants to talk to us about anything, talk about music or talk about their lives, we’re never going to turn them down. We’re never going to think that we’re somehow better than anybody else. Just being able to talk to someone and listen to them and to what they have to say, even if it’s for two minutes may be the difference of someone committing suicide or not or someone self-esteem being raised just that little bit or someone that just needs that little push to get through the day. There’s so many little things that can be done without money and I feel like talking openly with each other is such a good thing.
If someone wants to talk to you, you’re no better than anyone else. It’s such an important thing to remember, we’re all in this world together and trying to make it from day to day.
Joe Kwon is the cellist for The Avett Brothers and has also contributed his stringed talents to our friends The Apache Relay on their first album 1988
Image: Todd Roeth
The Avett Brothers’ cellist talks with us about finishing a very long tour and blogging away hunger in Part I of our interview.
by Bryson Leach
After a very long tour across the country and a few stops in Europe and Australia, The Avetts are ready for a break. Bryson Leach caught up with their cellist Joe Kwon after just getting back from their two-night, Halloween finale at the historic Ryman Auditorium in Nashville, Tenn.
BL: What’s it like to consistently be on tour since last February and to suddenly stop? What are you doing now?
JK:We started last year in February and consistently toured throughout this November. We started out the year on a big push with a two-week tour in the US, then we went to Europe and Australia. We’d go out and come home for several days at a time. We were away for a total of six weeks at the beginning of the year. It was crazy for sure.
For right now we’ve been laying low and spending time with the family. Getting strength back for the next big push for next year. We’re working on new songs for our new album soon, not sure when that will be but we’ve been working on new material. We’re just trying to do the things normal people do because the things we have been doing aren’t too normal for our girlfriends and wives. Our routine is immediately thrown out the window. Now it’s just time to get into a different routine. It will be nice to relax for a while, but really that feeling will last maybe all of two weeks. Then I’ll be ready to start doing something again.
BL:With some major artists, as the tour winds down, it can be apparent that they are on their last leg and their performance is weak and unappreciated. With you guys, road fatigue is never on the table. Why is that?
JK: It’s the love of being on stage. As much as we’re on the road, the stage feels like the right place to be if we can’t be home. We don’t drink on the road, we have noticed that it affects our performance if we drink, and if we can’t give 110% every night then it’s an injustice to the fans. Any moment we have to rest we take it, and of course, we eat well. No fast food, no junk food, instead we eat lots of salads, you know, it doesn’t weigh you down. Something I preach a lot is eating well and I need to practice what I preach.
Food is something Kwon is passionate about — so much so that he blogs about it. On his website Tasteontour.com, Kwon blogs about all the different places he likes to eat while on the road. Proceeds from the advertising on his site benefits the World Food Program, an United Nations Program that feeds needy families all over the globe.
JK:The blog was kind of a logical thing for me. When I’m on a road, there’s a lot of down time in the bus and we have to respect the silence there. I said, “You know what, there’s a lot of towns and restaurants that I want to go to and there’s a lot of restaurants out there that deserve attention.” I wanted to tell my fans that these places are worth checking out. I especially love it when places are getting local resources and putting love into food like we put love into our music. It’s great to see restaurants that get good food from local sources that, in turn, benefit themselves and the community they live in.
BL: Can you tell us more about your love for local food?
JK: I’m a big supporter of the farm-to-fork lifestyle. I have friends [in North Carolina] who are farmers on the weekends and I try to get people interested in their produce so they can sustain what they are doing. I think the things the farmers are doing here are so good for local development and the sense of community I live in; it’s all a very positive thing. If enough people do what small farmers can do for local food procurement it can greatly shift how food is grown.
BL: Can you explain what the World Food Program is and what you do to support it?
JK: It’s a program for Blog for Hunger, set up by another blogger, Marc Matsumoto at Norecipes.com. He had an idea for proceeds from a blog to go to WFP in a program called Blog Away Hunger. I have good friends who work for similar NGOs who also support the WFP. I thought it was a good idea. I especially want to support my friends who are doing awesome things in other countries who need help with food supplies. The program doesn’t get a lot of budgetary support, so any support we can give to WFP is a good thing.
Top photo by Todd Roeth
For every book Dallas Clayton sells, he is giving one away. Each book contains in it the simple but powerful message: dream big. An Awesome Book is the creation of this illustrator/designer/creative extraordinaire and he’s recently hit the road on a tour that’s getting his book out, promoting literacy and inspiring countless kids (of all ages).
I think your book and writing works well on many levels. I’m a grown dude and was left inspired, ya know? At what point did you realize that your writing would lend itself so well to kids?
I think over the years everything I write has gotten smaller, more condensed and thus (hopefully) more powerful, more efficient. I know that’s the classic gag that all writers are trying to get at, “Say as much as you can with as little as you can” but often I find that in doing that you can end up with a bumper sticker. For me the idea over the past few years is how to say as much as I can with as little as I can and then make up the difference in illustration and tone. It’s amazing how something as simple as changing a font or drawing a dinosaur can shift things dramatically from bumper sticker to thought-provoking. When I look at a lot of kids books these days they kinda seem like bumper stickers, which is good I suppose, cute and fun – it’s an economy, everything has it’s place – but when I think about reading things or creating things for my son it’s not really where I want to be. I think that’s how I figured what I do can fit into the kids world…filling a hole.
Tell me a little bit about the tour: What made you want to hit the road and what has it been like to share it with so many varied audiences?
I love people. I love meeting people. I love going places. I love having experiences with people. I love the unknown. Any opportunity I can get to build a model relative to what I do that can involve meeting strangers I am all for it. I’ve kinda always thought of touring as the smartest thing anyone can do no matter what they are trying to communicate – band, sport, art, selling knives… whatever it is, getting out there and meeting people and seeing what they do and who they are is crucial. Beyond that it is super fun. It’s like a constant vacation, but with a greater purpose. I don’t know what could be better.
With each sale you are donating a copy of the book. How are these donations made? How do you decide where the book goes next?
Well, the Awesome World Foundation has really only been alive for about 8 months now so as it grows the method of book distribution grows but the math is pretty much the same: for every book we sell, the foundation gives one away. I travel around reading to schools, hospitals, camps, stores, places where kids gather – I talk to them and I give away books. That’s one aspect. Beyond that we are also working with other charities outside the US to help sell books to raise money for their respective causes, as well as plotting focused donations to specific groups throughout the US. As far as rhyme or reason, it’s pretty much just based on who contacts us. About 99% of what I do with the book and with my life in general is based on “incoming calls.” I like to let the world dictate. It’s more fun that way.
Who are some illustrators or other artists that inspire you?
I’m inspired by just about anyone who makes work that they believe in, regardless of the genre. It’s cool to meet someone who does something so absurd to you, and to see how stoked they are on it- in a genuine way. I’m a much bigger fan of passion and exchange than I am of technique or execution. There’s a million rad guitarists in the world, but only a couple hundred you’d really want to sit and listen to.
Do you listen to music as you create? Your work is so playful and fun that I can’t imagine you creating it in a quiet room.
Drawing is fairly new to me. I never drew anything before An Awesome Book so it’s not like I have a set routine yet. Honestly the one thing I really dislike about drawing is how solitary it is. There’s no “jamming” aspect to it. When I write it is quick and easy so it’s not like I’m in a room by myself for hours but when I draw, I could be doing ten hour days for a few months in a row. When it’s time to do that I like to watch movies, documentaries, listen to books on tape, This American Life, that sort of thing. Stuff that get’s me to a place where I am learning while I am drawing so I don’t feel like I’m just in my room while the whole rest of the world is running around naked and eating pizza.
What is your connection to the We Love You So blog? (It is one of my favorite sites.) How did it come to be?
Again – incoming calls. Spike (Jonze) was a mutual friend and he really liked my blog and my book and approached me to see if I wanted to put together a blog/site for Where The Wild Things Are. I was super excited and couldn’t think of anything more fun, so I went to an early screening of the film and conceptualized WLYS from there. As far as my role in the project the analogy I like to use is that if it were a magazine I’d be something like the editor in chief. It’s been a real honor to work on it. What a blast!
Do you foresee more authors taking this DIY approach to publishing their own books and getting them out into the world in such a big way?
I didn’t set out to take a DIY stance on writing kids books. An Awesome Book was the first project in my life that I expected not to be DIY. I mean, kids books- I think we all picture that as a pretty tight industry, well-oiled and put together. I figured I would write a book, show it to some people, get it in the hands of some publishers and they’d put it out. But as it happens, new media being where it is, and the world of publishing as a whole being at a sort of crossroads, this wasn’t the case. I sent my book around and after months and months of waiting seemed to be getting nowhere… lots of super positive response but no real definitive means of putting it out. After a bit to much waiting (which is something I’m not so cut out for) I just decided I’d make it myself.
As for other authors, I hope people start doing more things on their own. It’s really fun, and a lot smarter business-wise. It’s no secret that putting things out independently leads to a bigger profit margin and a stronger fan base. Record labels figured that out about 30 years ago.
Why do you think the book has connected with people?
I can’t say for certain but I hope it’s because the idea is big enough that it transcends age/status/location/etc. I think a lot of kids authors approach things from the angle of “I’ve got a cool idea, it’s about a dog that’s also a robot” or whatever. Again, that’s cool. No harm in that. Ultimately, that’s probably a stronger business model than what I’m trying to do… but again, for me – I want to be able to deal with themes, goals, concepts – things that you can talk to anyone about, anywhere, at any time in history and they can say “oh, yeah, “dreams” I’ve got an opinion on dreams…” Ultimately, to me that’s where all great art comes from, universal themes.
What are some goals you have for the Awesome World Foundation?
Long term: To give away millions and millions of books to millions and millions of people all over the world and inspire them to dream big and never give up on what they are trying to achieve no matter how crazy it may seem.
Short term: To tour more. To work with sponsors and grants to help subsidize larger giveaways. To try and spread the message as much as possible, working with other charities to raise awareness for what we are trying to do.
You are doing something you love. It shows. You are helping people with it as a natural extension of your creation. This is awesome. Can you give some words of advice to others on how they can find themselves also creating things that help people?
I think often times people create things out of a need to feel like they are doing something, or perhaps as a result of feeling pressure that they should be doing something. I say if you love doing it, do it. If you don’t love doing it, do something else. Do a bunch of different something elses. Try a hundred different things in a hundred different places. When you get to a place where you are really in love with what you are doing, you’ll know it.
What are some of your favorite words?
Monster, Baboon, Slayer.
After playing together fore more than 11 years, these boys from Possum Kingdom, South Carolina are taking their music across the country and playing sold out venues. With a name like NEEDTOBREATHE (trademarked in all caps) you are left with exactly that after attending one of their energetic shows or even just listening to the new album, “The Outsiders.” Bryson Leach got a chance to chat with guitarist Bo Rinehart in the middle of their very busy tour about life in the spotlight and ways they are making a difference in the lives of the others.
What has NEEDTOBREATHE been up to lately?
Right now we’ve been darting around the country. Pretty much the entire US. It’s been crazy and it’s been the most successful tour we’ve ever been a part of. We are seeing venues where the fans come out and the numbers are tripling and quadrupling in size with every show. Which is dramatically different from just six months previous. We’ve been doing this for almost 11 years now, and we’re just along for the ride with this. For instance, we played at Sloss Furnace in Birmingham, Ala. Last year to a show that filed up halfway, this year we sold it out.
You recently picked up 3 GMA Dove awards for Rock Album of the year, Group of the Year, and rock song of the year. How does it feel to be together for eleven years and get some recognition like this?
It’s crazy to be honest. We were pretty aloof about it. Someone tweeted about it that we won a Dove Award and we were like, “Is that tonight?” We didn’t even know it was actually going on. Then they tweeted that we won a second and a third one. We were very shocked. Anything you do to get recognized for your hard work and creativity is always rewarding.
Can you explain where you were going with the newest album “The Outsiders?” There seems to be a theme of being on the outside -struggling with being different and yet being happy about where you are and what you stand for.
We are the outsiders in the scenario. We grew up in a small town and because of that we didn’t have people to show us the right way play or write songs. There were not a lot of places/venues to play and musicians to help us out. So we did it our way. As a result we made a lot of mistakes but still, we just did things our way. There was not a lot of conformity. We just tried to do what we did and try to be ourselves. Along the road we embraced that more, early on we thought being outsiders was a bad thing. Especially when we’d go into offices like Atlantic Records and see all the posters of successful musicians and feeling like “country came to town” we kinda felt like we didn’t fit in. Despite that, we got on the road, we did our thing and people appreciated that. So that’s what it is, we are embracing being outsiders, wearing it on our sleeves and we’re proud of it. The cover is a horse, the original idea was like a scarlet letter but is now like war paint; it’s something to be proud of.
A few months back NEEDTOBREATHE was invited to play a show to help raise funds for Compassion International, a non-profit group out of Colorado Springs that works around the world helping kids escape poverty. The concert, in support for Haiti took place at the historic Ryman Auditorium in Nashville, Tenn.
How did it feel to be a part of that? To be in The Ryman?
It was amazing. The whole night was pretty surreal. We felt like the band that shouldn’t be there. With all these big names, we were stunned to be invited. None of us had ever been in the Ryman, it felt like holy ground, a lot of history there. For us it was a spine tingling moment for us to walk on stage. We were thrilled to be there and especially for the event. It’s something that helps you realize what you do is a lot bigger than you are. To be a part of that, with all these other bands, not making a dime but just getting on stage and doing something for others was amazing.
Are there other charities you support as a band?
Yea, we give a portion of our records proceeds to Project Rescue in Nepal. Basically they rescue children out of prostitution. The thing is there, it’s tricky, you can’t just rescue them, you cant just pull them out. It’s their life; it’s what they know. The hard thing is to find jobs for them and things to do once they pull them out. So Project Rescue does all of these things for them, they try to help them feel what real love is. I know there’s a ton of organizations doing great things but this is something that we are really moved with.
Also, We just moved to Charleston, South Carolina and there’s a thing called Palmetto Medical Initiative, they send doctors and nurses to Uganda to provide the care they desperately need there. They don’t go into the heart of troubled areas in Uganda, but rather the common areas that are really affecting the population. Helping treat malaria and simple things that require doctor’s care. We are editing a video for them right now that will boost awareness and support. They are fairly new, but it’s great because it is so close to home. We plan on making a trip out there sometime next year.
One of our favorite bands, fun., sits down to chat with us during their recent stop in Nashville! Nate Ruess and Andrew Dost are two brains behind this tour-de-force of a band. Their debut album Aim & Ignite is a great one and these guys are a must-see live. They just released a new EP Live At Fingerprints that can be found here. Thanks to Andrew and Nate for taking a moment to chat with us backstage! Here we talk about performing, creating music, helping Haiti and more.